Warnung: Sword of the Stars II

[Scorcher24_]

Finger weg von dem Spiel. Kauft es nicht.
Es wurde eine Beta released, in vollem Wissen. Das Paradox Forum wird gerade heftig geflamed, zurecht. Viele Leute wollen einen refund. Ich gehöre auch dazu, nur wurde es mir gegifted. Werde da aber demnächst mit meinem Kumpel besprechen der mir das geschenkt hat, dass er sich das Geld wieder zurückholt von Steam.

Das Spiel ist eine einzige Beleidigung für jeden Gamer.
Braucht 8GB auf der Platte, aber ist fern von jeglichem Releasestatus.
Gestern wurde eine Beta veröffentlicht.
Heute wurde zwar ein Patch aufgespielt, aber die Optionen gehen weiterhin nicht. Es sind auch keine Szenarios im Spiel vorhanden. Es fehlt buchstäblich ein Großteil des Games.

Quellen:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... f-the-Game
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... ning-(CET)
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... for-refund
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... -Seriously
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... und-please
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... selling-it!

[Solon25]

Vorhin schon im Steam Forum gelesen. Die armen Fan's des 1. Teils, die sich das blind gekauft haben..

[ProbeEtPylon]

Paradox treibt es doch auf die Spitze!
Ich wünsche dieser Firma einen baldigen Ruin...
(obwohl sie ein vergleichsweise kleiner Verein sind, ist ihre Patchpolitik an Dreistigkeit unübertroffen...unter anderem werden Patches für Geld angeboten (!), DLCs für verbuggte Spiele programmiert, anstatt sie vorher zu patchen, und in diesem Fall hatte man scheinbar die Idee, gleich eine Beta zu veröffentlichen.)

[Sarrus MacMannus]

Diese Schweinehunde. Hab's mir auf Steam vorbestellt, als riesiger Fan von Teil 1, und jetzt sowas! Verbrecher sind das! Finger weg davo, bis ihr was anderes hört! Es ist ohne Übertreibung der mieseste Release, den ich je erlebt habe (Gothic III, jetzt vermisse ich dich )

[Scorcher24_]

Hab noch nen "Test" dazu geschrieben:
http://www.4players.de/4players.php/gam ... index.html

[|Chris|]

Immer langsam mit den jungen Pferden. Auch wenn ich selbst entäuscht war muss ich die Entwickler hier mal in Schutz nehmen. Die Release war eine unfertige Version von August die versehentlich veröffentlicht wurde. Seriously, shit happens.

Hier das Schreiben des 'Verantwortlichen':

Hey folks! Helluva weekend eh?

Welcome to the perfect storm of ♥♥♥♥ up made up of 40% Murphy's Law, 30% Chaos, 20% Overambition and 10% wishful thinking. And you have our deepest regrets for what it is worth as none of this was part of the plan.

I am tempted to go into full blown explanations but a) that starts to smack of making excuses and b) in reality I think the biggest things on people's minds right now judging from your posts is "Who's responsible?!!" and "What's going to be done?!!" And even when its time for explanations I am sure you would all rather hear about it in the context of "How this won't happen again".

That latter question is an easy one and best gotten out of the way quickly. "Who is responsible?"...I am. Half my job at Kerberos is to be the one that makes the hard call. What gets prioritized. What gets pulled. What gets released. What get accepted. And in many ways, what gets said. When push comes to shove, I am the one who makes the deal with the devil. When something is supposed to be watched, its me who has to know the answer. When the switch got thrown on the wrong build, costing many of you an extra big download and letting loose an extra buggy code base, I was in traffic instead of giving the yay or nay myself. That should not have been...hell I should have insisted nothing moved until the right code had been there and confirmed multiple times. Instead I blew it and bad things happened.

So lets set this straight here. When you are dealing with SotS2 this weekend and wondering quite rightly "Who is to blame for this?!!" The answer is me. NOT Paradox...NOT Steam and certainly NOT my team. All of those forces have been exemplary in helping deal with a bad situation. When it comes to who should be at the end of anyone's fingerpoint, it's just plain ol' me.


Ok...so now onto the real important thing...The Future of SotS2 and what you can count on.


First of all the bad news...Thanks to various factors we are now sitting on top of a pile of blown apart code and unstable features. The first thing you can expect though is stability. There will be an update tomorrow which will set right much of the chaos created friday in terms of crashing and keeping you from playing that game. What it WON'T do is magically add back in every piece of functionality. Gods know I wish that I had that magic wand but the reality is that path leads to more chaos and more broken gameplay sessions. Remember that part where I mentioned making the hard calls? This is another one of those. As much as the team wants to throw themselves at this like crazy people, I am not going to ok that. Instead we will go about this in a relatively sane and orderly fashion with regular updates that make sure everything that goes back in is as stable as possible before you see it. Oh I am sure some stuff will leak through, but at least that will be dealt with quickly and cleanly. Sorry to just put the hard facts to you straight without flowers but I think we are somewhat past the flowers make it all better stage of this relationship

What this means to you...

This plan means that you folks can expect at least 2 or 3 updates a week over the next month or so that will gradually make this game into what it should have been when the switch was pulled on friday. Soon after that you can expect personel in black suits to arrive at your house to flash a red light in your eyes. After that you will find yourself happy and enjoying the best release day ever and none of this will ever have happened.
Ok fine...I am a lil shakey on the last half of the plan but what I can tell you is that by the end of this period you WILL have more additional content than you would have under more ideal circumstances. Every update will go out with some thank you for your patience...some badges, extra maps, new nose art, more background entries. Basically whatever can be done alongside the priority path will be put in as well. The people out there who know Kerberos know that we support our games not just for weeks or months but for years. For all of you people new to us, please let me assure you that despite how your purchase may look at the moment, you can look forward to years of support. I would ask that you consider not giving up on us because it will literally take the end of the world for Kerberos and Paradox to give up on SotS2.


What I would like to ask of you...


Oh I know that is hardly what you expected to hear right now, but before your temperature rises, please hear me out becuase this portion is in reaction to ALL the posts I have read which seem to subdivide into certain clear groups.


If you are a Kerberos and/or a SotS fan then please just enjoy the game as you can over the next few weeks. I know you want to help as much as possible but to be honest you should NOT be rewarded for your support with more work. Your feedback is appreciated but in no means are you expected to act as testers or hunt bugs. Literally your patience and continued support is more than enough.

If you truely feel like you have been dumped into an unannounced beta test on this game, then please, I ask you to put the game away and not look at it till someone fires off the "all done" flag. I am not going to tell you that you should not feel this way. What I am going to say is that if you feel this way then you should not feel victimized any more than if you had made a pre-order and then been informed of a delay. I know this does not make it all right but at least it should make it clear that no one wants to use you as a beta tester nor was that ever the intent.

And finally, if you are in the camp that still feels robbed by the time you have reached this point of my post I can only offer what I can. We are fixing it and we need folks to either cheer, step aside or get out of the way cause vitriol is not going to help right now. If you demand a refund then I completely understand and you can be assured, the cost of that will make it directly to us. We will feel your "voting with your dollars", you can be sure about that and we accept that as fair play. On the other hand, if a free copy of the orginal SotS will help tide you over while we get this game shined from turnip to jewel, then please write to "contact@kerberos-productions.com" and we will set you up. If nothing else, if you are not familiar with how we support our products, you can play it and then ask the old-timers how much it changed over the years and that may reassure you.



So if you are still with me after this long post...let me summarize.

a) ♥♥♥♥ up
b) my fault
c) will be Completely fixed
d) fun stuff in many updates
e) Understanding of your position
f) Apology again and underserved request for faith and patience from people who don't know us.


That's about it folks. I hope this helps in some way or another. If enough people care, I will try and post a "Ways I can think of to prevent this from happening ever again". But otherwise its sunday and I got a whole lot of work to get done for tomorrow's update.

Once again, Regrets and our deepest thanks for whatever patience each one of you can offer.
--Martin Cirulis
CEO/Creative Director
Kerberos Productions

Nun kann man die Ausrede gelten lassen oder nicht, soweit ich es mitbekommen habe arbeiten sie aber momentan wirklich im Schichtbetrieb um die Releaseversion wieder herzustellen von daher, wer es sich nicht kaufen möchte der sei gewarnt, aber komplett abrscheiben oder gar Paradox und Keberos verteufeln würde ich nicht. Dazu gibt es einfach zu wenig gute 4X Strategie, ich würde ja sagen momentan gar keine (ausser aktuell Star Ruler). Und ich bin froh das Keberos so mutig ist und bei Sots 2 neue Wege geht (Stichpunkt Flotten und Schiffsmanagement. Auch auf die Gefahr hin weniger Gewinn einzufahren.

[Dark_Randor]

Paradox hat mich auch bei der Mount and Blade Reihe enttäuscht...

Teil 1 war super, geniales, ausgefeiltes Spiel, Teil 2 war auch noch ok, wobei mehr Änderungen nicht schlecht gewesen wären für ein Vollpreisspiel, und dann die Katastrophe, With Fire and Sword... Die ersten Tage nach Release unspielbar, da die Einheiten nicht fähig waren, im Level aufzusteigen, die vorher versprochene (und auch auf Amazon und Steam offiziell gelistete) deutsche Version gab es einfach nicht, wurde dann mehre Monate später nachgeschoben, in einer desaströsen, unfertigen (manche Wörter waren nicht übersetzt/viele falsch übersetzt) von Fehlern überquellenden Version, die man vergessen konnte (und die bis heute nicht verbessert wurde), und auch ansonsten Bugs ohne Ende, einfach nur eine maßlose Enttäuschung...

[King Rosi]

Die Release war eine unfertige Version von August die versehentlich veröffentlicht wurde.

gut ok, passiert (trotzdem: LOLOLOLOL). warum wird es dann aber nicht auf die aktuelle "fertige" version gepatched?

[bondKI]

Manch einer würde ja sagen, weil sie es nicht gibt?! Was mich gar nicht mal so wundern würde.

[King Rosi]

Manch einer würde ja sagen, weil sie es nicht gibt?!

genau darauf wollte ich mit meinem post ja hinaus.